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Gillian Guess

Victim of extreme prosecutorial misconduct

Since 1998 we have intermittently reported Guess's story. The reporting has been intermittent because we have been struggling with technical and legal difficulties ourselves, not to mention harassment from Saskatoon police. We finally got a new computer in March, 2001 and then it was stolen in July. We lost a lot of files including those on Shannon Murrin and Howard Gowan whose pages we were in the process of creating.

It is with some fondness we remember our first communication with Gillian Guess who asked it we had a branch in Vancouver. We assured her we barely had a branch in Saskatoon much as we would like to. Need injusticebusters in Vancouver? You're it, we told her.

And it she is. She has been helpful with the efforts to get justice for Shannon Murrin and we're sure she is up to all kinds of interesting things.

From being picked randomly for jury duty to solid injusticebuster -- that has been the evolution of Gillian Guess. That the media has seemed to be interested only in her sex life is a shame. There is a whole lot more to Gillian Guess.

April 15, 20000, Guess talks back | April 11, 2000: Murder suspect was there for me, Guess says 'I know this is going to sound really bizarre, because it is' March 26, 1999 Crown to push Guess, Gill link in appeal | February 25, 1999 B.C. attorney general rejects conflict accusation in Guess case | February 11, 1999: Prospect of testifying frightens juror who slept with an accused killer | Justice or Judgement? Guess letter to Legal Aid | June 10: Registrar's reply | Ottawa Sun article | Supreme court refuses to hear mystery witness case in secret |


Harvard Law students were assigned the Gillian Guess case to explore. The site is thorough and accurate, as we might expect from one of the most prestigious law schools in the world. With the kind of arrogance we have grown to expect from Canadian prosecutors, Joseph C. Bellows, Q.C. Crown Counsel, Criminal Appeals and Special Prosecutions wrote this letter which claims to present true facts but is only the prosecutorial side in upcoming litigation. Guess responds. See also the Jury Rights Project.

Infamous juror to testify about courtroom affair: May prompt retrial

Mark Hume National Post, April 04, 2000

VANCOUVER - Sporting a new shocking blond hairstyle and a figure trimmed by stress, not a diet, Gillian Guess yesterday threw the British Columbia judicial system into a spin -- again.

Last year she successfully fought off attempts by the Crown to call her to testify at an evidence hearing into her relationship with Peter Gill, an accused murderer who was acquitted by the jury of which she was a member.

But standing outside the Supreme Court of British Columbia yesterday, she casually mentioned that she's decided to testify after all.

"I want to see the truth come out," Ms. Guess said of her dramatic about-face.

She said she looks forward to testifying about how her relationship with Mr. Gill began.

In the new evidence hearing, which began yesterday, the Crown will attempt to show that Ms. Guess began her affair with Mr. Gill early in the trial, thereby tainting his acquittal. That could mean Mr. Gill and his two co-accused, Michael Budai and Ho Sik "Phil" Kim, will face a new trial for the 1994 killing of Ron and Jim Dosanjh.

Ms. Guess, who could not be compelled to testify because she was a juror, said last year that her life would be in danger if she gave evidence that led to a retrial.

But she said yesterday that what concerns her now is "getting the whole truth out."

Ms. Guess is also facing contempt charges for speaking about evidence given in a closed court and is appealing her conviction for obstruction of justice, related to her affair with Mr. Gill.

She was in court yesterday for the start of her appeal, which was delayed because she has not yet been able to find a lawyer. "I want it over. It's dementing. I want some sort of normal life back," said Ms. Guess.

Her life has not been normal since 1995, when she began her affair with Mr. Gill -- an affair that became the focus of an intense police investigation. Among other things, police bugged her bedroom, compiling hundreds of hours of audio tapes.

Yesterday, Ms. Guess offered the information that she has not had sex since. "The Peter Gill thing shocked me into celibacy," she said. "Once your bedroom's been bugged, that's enough for life."

She also said that she lost weight from worrying. "I've been very stressed."

During opening remarks in the new evidence hearing, Mark Andrews, the Crown counsel, told court he would show that Ms. Guess and Mr. Gill began their affair during the trial and continued it until after the verdict.

He said Ms. Guess will not have to testify about what happened in the jury room. Instead the Crown will focus on the love affair and the effect of that relationship on the acquittal.

Mr. Andrews said Mr. Gill was telephoning her during the trial and there will be evidence about the eye contact she had with him in the courtroom, while he was sitting in the prisoner's dock.

Evidence is also expected about their meetings during the trial, in a terraced garden near the court.

Mr. Andrews said the Crown will show that, "Ms. Guess was having a relationship with Mr. Gill during the trial ... [and] the verdict should be set aside and a new trial ordered."

B.C. Justice System is just being stupid!

 The Lawyers (this includes judges, prosecutors, and various defence attorneys Gillian Guess has engaged to defend her) have tied themselves in knots in their attempts to blame her for their own mistakes. See article from National Post.

Our research tells us the following:

  • Gillian Guess showed up for jury duty as she was summoned to do.
  • She was chosen to be on the jury for a murder trial.
  • She openly reciprocated flirtation from one of the defendants, thinking he was a lawyer.
  • The Crown was fully aware of this and even considered removing her from the jury but decided not to make this prudent move.
  • Guess was never deceptive about her relationship with Gill and believed that as long as she did not discuss the case with him, she was capable of remaining objective as a juror.
  • Peter Gill was acquitted because the Crown failed to make its case.
  • The Crown set about to blame it all on Gillian Guess and charged her with obstructing justice, although there was no clear law here pertaining to jurors.
  • Two years later, the B.C. Justice system, which is largely composed of persons trained in the law has spent huge sums of public money trying to nail Guess as responsible for the debacle.

This shows the lengths to which lawyers will go to protect themselves from appearing stupid. Like children caught in lies and deception, it doesn't work.

B.C. Justice: Back off and apologize!

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Gillian Guess site

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Heather Bird's piece on Gillian Guess

 


After discovering a nasty little site called "Gillian Guess - 18 months of the same outfit? The Gillian Guess is guilty website " I sent it over to Gillian to find out if she was aware of it. Ms Guess is, of course, very busy preparing for her trial June 17. She did send this material which documents her continuing problems with Legal Aid --

Justice or Judgment?

The following letter I sent to Legal Services, Court of Appeal and Attorney General Dosanjh - within days I received a fax threatening to dismiss my appeal. I immediately phoned, Cecelia Low who was extremely rude wouldn't explain a thing. I asked her if Chief Justice knew about this and she ASSURED me that he did. I said how can you threaten to dismiss my appeal when I haven't even been given the transcripts? She sneered in delight and the call was over.

Sent: Saturday, June 05, 1999 1:14 AM To: 'Rod Holloway' Subject: Guess Appeal

June 4, 1999

Legal Services Society Attn: Mr. Rod Holloway

Dear Mr. Holloway;

Further to your letter of May 20, 1999, and June 1, 1999, I write to comment on your rather curious letter.

Firstly, I am not quite sure what you are asking.... Are you suggesting that I agree to allow the Legal Services of British Columbia to appoint a lawyer that I have not selected? I know that this method is practiced in the United States but I was unaware that it was practiced here.

The conflict of interest issues in my case are paramount. You might recall that I was convicted and incarcerated for "being in a "potential" for conflict of interest". Now, it appears in documentation, which I unfortunately read and innocuously publicized, that the person who governs all of the legal services, societies, etc, (namely Ujjal Dosanjh) was of interest to the RCMP during my investigation. The investigation apparently resulted after several intercepted calls between his office and Paul Gill, the brother of Peter Gill and a named target in the Guess investigation. Other, than a very strong friendship between the two, I have not been informed as to the "fruits" of the investigation.

However, Peter Ritchie, Marilyn Sandford, and John Green have all independently disclosed to me that the information which I have not seen is highly relevant to my case, and furthermore could have resulted in a different verdict.

The conflict of interest, never mind the potential, is obvious - whoever agrees or is appointed to represent me is linked to Attorney General Dosanjh. It might not be today - but at some point in any B.C. lawyer's career, issues involving a seat on the bench or a Q.C. etc, are going to be at stake.

The appearance of justice is also a valid issue.

But let's take a step back..... Several months ago Chief Justice Alan McEachern was apprised of this situation and his solution was to assemble a panel to hear the contents of the "secret courts" or "star chamber" proceedings (if you will) and they would determine the relevance if any to my case. His order was that when the transcripts of the same were ready a panel would be assembled.

If I am incorrect on this point please advise.

It is my understanding that those transcripts are in fact ready. I await information as to a scheduled hearing about the same.

Mr. Holloway, I am sure you can understand that my faith in the British Columbia justice system has sadly spiraled and soared downwards, and my believe system has been violently shaken. I can no longer expect any lawyer in British Columbia to put his career aspirations aside to defend me. Having said that, I respect and admire the majority of the legal profession in the city but could never be sure of the potential for conflict of interest. It feels frightening to be in such a vulnerable situation and I wish that things were different, but they're not.

It is with great regret that I inform you that at this point I feel I have no other alternative but to represent myself until the conflict of interest issues, and the "secret court" issues are resolved. It is highly probable that this was the reason why my last lawyer, Larry Myers, suddenly dropped the case. It is understandably daunting for any lawyer to have to fight these particular issues, and the secrecy of the situation leads to individuals taking on the case without knowing the ramifications of the secrets. Moreover, it clearly violates their oath. At one point the law society informed Marilyn Sandford that they would intervene on this issue in defense of the lawyers but to date I seem to be fighting this on my own.

I do not pretend to have the skills or the knowledge of the reputable Vancouver lawyers, but I do have the truth on my side and I guess I alone will fight for it. If I am returned to prison for "potential of conflict of interest" then I know it will be wrong and I will not stop fighting.

When I attend court on June 17th, 1999 to have my contempt of court hearing adjourned until after resolution of the above, I will apply for indigenous status as I am financially devastated because of this nightmare. My children and I are anxious for the day when the persecution ends and we can live our lives like normal people.

Believing in truth and justice, I remain,

Gillian Guess 135-1300 Parkgate Ave., North Vancouver, B.C. V7H 2Y2

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FROM:

JUN. 10 1999 VANCOUVER LAW COURTS NO.085 THE LAW COURTS 8OO Smithe Street VANCOUVER, B.C. FACSIMILE TRANSMISSION TO Gillian Guess

929 - 3625

JUN. 10. 1999 THE VANCOUVER LAW COURTS NO.085 P.2

June 10, 1999

Gillian Guess 135 - 1300 Parkgate Ave. NORTH VANCOUVER, B.C. V7J 2Y2

Dear Madam;

Re:

COURT OF APPEAL Regina vs Gillian Guess Court of Appeal File No:

Dear Madam;

Take notice that you are required to appear before a judge of the Court of Appeal at the Law Courts, at 800 Smithe Street, Vancouver on Friday. June 10 1999. at 9:30 a.m.

It will be decided at that time whether this appeal will be dismissed.

 

This reference is made pursuant to Rule 13(3)

"Where a Registrar considers that the appelant has failed to diligently pursue this appeal or comply with the rules, he may refer the matter to the court or a justice."

 

Sincerely,

 

Cecilia M Low Deputy Registrar (660-2468)

cc/: J. Wood, Q.C. . P. Juk THE LAW COURTS


By CP from Ottawa Sun Thursday,

VANCOUVER --  Gillian Guess, Canada's most famous juror, fears for her safety and plans to fight efforts to force her to testify in the appeal of a double murder trial.

"The Crown has announced that they intend to apply to have me subpoenaed to testify against alleged murderers," Guess said yesterday outside the B.C. Court of Appeal.

"I feel anybody in this situation, forget about it being Gillian Guess, certainly is at high risk at having their own and their family's lives in danger."

Surrounded by the usual phalanx of reporters, Guess, 43, had represented herself in an effort to try to change her bail conditions. She has severed ties with her lawyers and appeared alone before Justice Carol Huddart on the bail application, pending her appeal of her conviction of obstruction of justice.

The judge adjourned the bail matter to Feb. 17.

Guess was convicted last summer for having an affair with accused killer Peter Gill while she was on the jury that acquitted him and five other men in a pair of gangland slayings.

Wiretaps of her home and witness testimony confirmed she and Gill were having sex, although it wasn't clear whether Gill urged her to acquit him.

The Crown is appealing those acquittals and Guess believes she will be subpoenaed to testify.

The thought of testifying terrifies her, she said.

She said her former lawyer wanted to have her relocated under the federal witness protection program.

"I decided to stay because everywhere I go in Canada people will know me, unfortunately."

She was in court yesterday because she doesn't want to have to report to a bail supervisor four times a month.

Prior to her conviction, she had been reporting once a month in person, and once a week by telephone.

That was changed after her conviction to once a week in person.

"Basically, it's become a mind game," she told reporters. "They (bail officials) keep me in there up to an hour. I've had unsavoury characters phone me as a result of sitting in that office.

"It's very frightening for me."

The judge ruled there was a discrepancy between Guess's understanding of her bail supervisor's recommendations and what the Crown was told.

The court ordered the bail supervisor's version to be filed by affidavit and a decision would be made Feb. 17.

She also told the judge she wants to have her own appeal moved to another province because she worries she won't get a fair hearing here.

But the judge said she couldn't rule on that and advised Guess to apply in writing to the court's chief justice.

The Province

We all knew Glen Clark and his goon squad were utterly incompetent, but now there's damning evidence of lies and coverups all the way through the fast-ferry scandal.

Consider just one element: The performance of the boards of BC Ferries and its spinoff company, Catarmaran Ferries International, the members of both of which resigned yesterday.

Clark has tried to blame this whole mess on Tom Ward, the former BC Ferries president who's already been sacked.

But here's what auditor Hugh Gordon had to say about the boards yesterday: "In late 1998, when the boards became aware of the possibility of significant cost overruns, the documents reviewed do not indicate that they informed the minister responsible."

In other words, Tom Ward wasn't the only guy withholding information. The boards of directors were playing "see no evil" too.

But what do you expect from boards that are nothing but patronage troughs for NDP hacks and insiders?

When CFI was formed, the government appointed Lucille Johnstone as chairwoman -- and for good reason.

Johnstone is the former head of RivTow Straits and widely respected in the shipping industry.

Also on the board were University of B.C. commerce professor Michael Goldberg and businessman Kevin Murphy.

Gordon said the three directors asked a lot of tough questions about the management of the premier's ferry project.

That apparently cost them their jobs. They were sacked in 1997 and replaced by three notorious NDP hacks: Union kingpin Jack Munro, who took over as chairman, former NDP provincial secretary Ray Whitehead, and Paul Gill, one of Clark's key political fundraisers.

Explains a lot, doesn't it?

"The minutes when the Johnstone board was there were much more detailed -- they asked a lot of questions," Gordon said.

But once Munro and company took over, that due diligence disappeared.

Here's what Don Avison, deputy minister of Crown corporations, had to say yesterday about the NDP switcheroo on the boards:

"It would have been in the public interest to maintain the participation of individuals who had active involvement in the shipbuilding industry."

No kidding. Unfortunately, Glen Clark never did care about your money and how it's spent.

All he's ever cared about is cushy jobs for his friends -- and you're left holding the bag.

A couple of months back I wrote about Judge Paris ordering the court doors locked in a hearing about the "secret hearings"(The Star Chamber), he didn't realize I would be attending and embarrassingly said they could be opened. I found out the other day, that as well he also ordered the hearing not to be posted on the court list - to keep the media out. This is the same judge who publicly denied the "secret hearings" ever happened (as reported in the Globe and Mail last June). This whole ordeal gets scarier and scarier. The Vancouver Sun - October 6, 1998Because of profound relevance to much that has continued all over Canada since 1998, we moved this to its own page Jan. 26, 2002 Supreme court refuses to hear mystery witness case in secret


Judge Paris Orders Courtroom Locked

Nov 13, 1998

Gillian Guess was back in front of Judge Paris today accompanied by her lawyers Peter Ritchie and Marilyn Sandford. Josiah Wood represented the Crown.

At 9:30 the court clerk came and unlocked the Courtroom 53 and allowed Guess and the counsel in. Next to everyone's surprise the clerk announced that under the order of Judge Paris she must lock everyone in the courtroom. No one from the public or the media would be allowed to enter.

Under direction from Appellate Judge MacKenzie, Ritchie petitioned Judge Paris to allow the contents of the "secret court" to be revealed to potential appellate lawyers. Paris agreed but ordered that the potential appellate lawyers could not further disclose the information.

Peter Ritchie then said on record that he was extremely concerned about the order to lock the courtroom from the public and media. Paris claimed that it was just a misunderstanding.

More Gillian Guess

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Canadians who have been wrongfully convicted because of improper investigations combined with zealous Crown

A round-up of wrongful convictions in Canada

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 Revitalizing the archives

From 1998 until 2002, injusticebusters was in the throes of identity crisis. What was it? What were we doing? We grappled with editorial policy at the same time we were learning the nuts and bolts of building and posting a website. Once we had a secure, paid site I had full editorial control, although I talked regularly to Richard Klassen who was forced to move his family several times and did not always have access to the internet. Rick's pages: one | two

We posted our earliest and later actions.

Early versions of the site can be found on the Wayback Machine.

I began following other threads to stories of police and prosecutorial misconduct and the site's character took on another facet: a newsclipping scrapbook where stories could live longer than they would in print form. I also began picking up other stories of wrongfully convicted people. It was an explosion. By 2003 there were over 700 pages. I also had contact with several other people (Don Smith, Leon Walchuk, Monique Turenne, the Vopnis) and kept these stories going.

It was the story of the Ross children's treatment at the hands of the Saskatchewan government which grabbed the attention of The Fifth Estate. The civil claim (The $10M Lawsuit as we called it) was only mentioned briefly at the end of their show which aired in November, 2000.

When Richard Klassen began to make progress in bringing his civil claim to court, the government and police defendants alleged he was breaking the rules of court by publishing discovery material on the internet.

MacNeil clinic (the document which started it all)
The Thompson Papers
Carol Bunko-Ruys reports

This claim was absolutely false. However, rather than risk being thrown out of his civil claim, Klassen undertook before Judge Mona Dovall to sever all ties with the website.

The court fights:

Les Perreaux report
QB271

These pages have links which lead to other pages from that era. Now that some of the dust has settled, I have been going back through the material we had posted in the early days. In the spirit of keeping the scrapbook alive, I have been reformatting and placing links. The original material remains intact. I hope the information, which chronicles our struggle is useful to you.

The identity crisis is over. We know who we are --Sheila Steele, March 28, 2005

 

Blogging

Blogging has been in the news. It is the new, trendy thing with 40,000 new blogs being created each day. I established a blog for this website last September and it is now "taking off." These are a few of the pages with ongoing discussions.

Tasering Mary Lutz
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Michael Cardamone witch hunt
Implement recommendations of public inquiries
Stealing from the poor
Vancouver's killer cops
Tisdale rapists appeal
Winnipeg police misdeeds
Milgaard Inquiry
Chief Sabo: can he be trusted?
The Old Boys' Club Must Go!
Vancouver activists
John Hudak: Falsely accused mountie
City of intolerance
Constable Larry Lockwood: Exciteable!
Eric Cline

This is a great way for like-minded people to communicate and share our views. It is easier than making a website and marginally more difficult than a forum.

People who want to contribute simply have to punch the "comment" link and they will be taken to a page with a box which allows them to write their comment, preview and post it. It takes a while for the comment to show up and some people get impatient and repost. That's fine, I trash the duplicate posts and no harm done.

Please, please give it a try. The internet is distinguished from other media in that it is really and truly interactive. Blogging makes it possible to express your viewpoint even if you don't have a computer. You can go to the library or a friend's place or an internet cafe. Once you've mastered the basics (and believe me, if I can do it, you can do it) you will be participating in one of the most democratic -- and potentially powerful -- media the world as we know it has ever seen.

Come on. Don't be shy. Join the Weblog World! -- Sheila Steele, March 20, 2005

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