"Tell
a big enough lie often enough and people will believe it's true."
-- Joseph
Goebbels, Third Reich Minister of Enlightenment and Propaganda
The defendant Prosecutors'
Statement
as to Documents
which theoretically describes this mess.
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What happened when Richard
Klassen drove to Regina to get the box of documents McKillop
had phoned that he'd just found . . .
January 28, 2002, 10 a.m.
Present: Don McKillop,
solicitor for prosecutors in QB 271, Richard Klassen, plaintiff
acting for himself, Angela Geworsky (who Richard had previously
obtained agreement from McKillop to accompany him to help sort
through the documents.)
Don McKillop: I think that
we need to sit down and discuss a few things before I show you
any more documents. I have a bit of a problem showing you documents
if you are going to be giving them to other people. I would like
you to take a look at a fax that I received just this morning.
Can you read that and tell me if you are aware of that, or if
you have seen that before? (letter dated January 27/02)
Richard Klassen: Yes I am,
I received a copy of that last night.
Don McKillop: You are aware
that you have an order stating that you cannot do this Richard,
why would you be doing this?
Richard Klassen: Well, if I
see that there were crimes committed, I will reveal them to anyone
who will look at them.
Don McKillop: I can't show
you any more if this is what you are going to do. Then I am being
a part of this. You should take this matter to court and it could
be decided there. You can't be distributing documents from this
civil suit.
Richard Klassen: I am not simply
distributing documents Don. A civil suit does not restrict someone
from revealing crimes. Everyone can see the crimes that have
been committed here, the public, media, prosecutors, lawyers.
They had no reasonable and probable grounds to charge us in the
first place, but this isn't about what they have done to us,
or the money, this is about what happened to those two little
girls. I don't know if you have children Don, but I do, and what
happened to those kids is a crime. Someone is going to pay for
what happened.
Don McKillop: I thought this
wasn't about the money?
Richard Klassen: ACCOUNTABILITY
for crimes Don. They committed crimes.
Don McKillop: Oh Yeah, I guess
that would count. Well Richard, let me tell you something. You
will never win in court, you just won't.
Richard Klassen: Well Don,
you know that the Fifth Estate just aired another show, and the
e-mails that we are getting with public support are overwhelming,
and I know that the politicians are getting e-mail about this,
and Chris Axworthy, the police, because we are getting copies
of those.
Don McKillop: You know where
I stand with this, and let me tell you that you stand a better
chance bothering the politicians till they pay you to go away,
than you would taking this to court?
Richard Klassen: Everyone that
was involved knew what was happening to them (the Ross twins)
and did nothing to stop it. It's sick Don, those people are sick,
they make me sick. How can you defend sick people that would
allow little girls to be raped? Maybe you don't care about kids!
Don McKillop: Don't you put
words into my mouth Mr. Klassen. Don't tell me what I care about.
Richard Klassen: (stands up)
Don't you yell at me Mr. McKillop, you are defending the very
people that allowed this to happen to those girls. Don't you
get it? These are CRIMES.
Don McKillop: Sit down Mr.
Klassen, sit down. I am not here to debate this with you Richard.
Tell me then, if this is what you have found then why have you
not taken this to the police, why haven't you had charges laid?
Richard Klassen: (Laughs) do
you actually think that anyone will be charged for this in Saskatchewan.
I have taken it to the police before. Now I am taking it to the
public. I am meeting with the Star Phoenix today.
Don McKillop: (snickers) what
are you going to do, get the Star Phoenix to charge?
Richard Klassen: People are
listening, and I will tell whoever will listen. Dueck is sick,
it's just plain sick how can you defend these people. Are they
your buddies?
Don McKillop: Why would you
call him my buddy? I am not defending Dueck.
Richard Klassen: Yeah, well
you are defending Miazga, he put in his own handwriting about
those girls being raped, "continue to screw each other"
Carol Bunko-Ruys knew, Kathy even told her that she had lied
about everyone else back in 1993. She covered it up, you're defending
Carol aren't you?
Don McKillop: You don't have
a case Richard. This all has nothing to do with your lawsuit.
Richard Klassen: It has everything
to do with malicious prosecution. Judges are recognizing malicious
prosecution. But you probably think that we did it, you probably
think that we are guilty.
Don McKillop: Well Richard,
you were never convicted in court so by those means you would
not be guilty. But I don't know if you did it or not, I would
suppose you didn't, but I don't know.
Richard Klassen: (laughs) that's
all right Don, we have all the evidence we need, we have DNA
evidence, the kids are our DNA evidence, and it can't get any
better than that. Have you ever read any of this stuff? I suggest
you look at the evidence against us: there was none. Read what
you have Don. Read what is, your case! I am not discouraged about
going to court; we are going to have to face off with a judge
sooner or later, may as well be sooner.
Don McKillop: You broke the
judge's order Richard, why didn't you deal with this when you
were in court last time?
Richard Klassen: You say that
there are no crimes here. We never had this material last time
I was in court. And what about disclosure? We have NEVER had
these documents, we had never seen them. I take it that you don't
believe in Stinchcombe, never mind that we didn't go to trial,
we were five days away and all we had amounted to about a two-inch
thick stack as compared to six boxes that there are now. You
tell me Don.
Don McKillop: You could have
dealt with this issue last time Richard.
Richard Klassen: We didn't
KNOW this material even existed Don, that's the whole point!
ACCOUNTABILITY, I want accountability, and I deserve compensation.
This isn't just about the money this is about those girls, but
I do deserve compensation. I have put everything that I have
into this case.
Don McKillop: Well, I know
that you want your day in court, and you will get it. If you
win Richard, you would get punitive damages of course. So that
is where we will have to go from here.
Richard Klassen: I will continue
to reveal these crimes as I find them Don.
Don McKillop: Well you are
breaking the order, that is contempt of court!
Richard Klassen; Well then,
throw me in jail, make a martyr out of me. I am not going to
stand by and allow this crime to go uncovered. I take it then
that you are denying me the right to view the documents.
Don McKillop: That's right
Richard; unless you can assure me that you will not be giving
them out.
Richard Klassen: I could assure
you that I would not show anyone anything, if I don't find any
crimes to show.
Don McKillop: Well then we
will have to deal with this in court.
Rick: All right then Don, Thank
you.
Dueck docs
| Bunko-Ruys reports | Thompson
papers | Court fiat Jan.
2001 | Rick's page | Beryl
Stonechild | Saskatchewan
Court of Appeal | Lawsuit (lack
of) progress | Lawsuit filed
by Peter Klassen and Michael Ross | Steele
letter to City Hall | Richard
Klassen's letter to police, 1994 | Kathy's
letter to Chris Axworthy | Miazga congratulates
his cohorts |
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